Lust Angels - Know any good ones?

[altpath]

  I realize that angels (in my experience) tend to appreciate magicians that follow the rules (like following the grimoires to the letter), so that might explain a failure I had months ago. I didn't work much more on it though since I had daemons I could call to help for the same working and at the time it didn't occure to me to continue to work with the same angel.

  I tried working with a more obscure angel for lust with very poor results and I'm still scratching my head over it. Further attempts to contact it later on were also useless, as I didn't get any contact at all. It's likely he/she just didn't like me or didn't like my freestyle approach but any advice would be appreciated.

  I did once work with a well known Venus Angel, but I was wondering if there's for example an angel that rules over lust specifically, or a more terrestrial angel since planetary ones are more...abstract with results sometimes. I like them, but I'm just not used to them.
  Kind of like realizing you don't really want to get that girl into bed for any reason other than to impress your friends and so the angel caused you to have that realization LOL. Not really the kind of results clients want 

  I'm also wondering what kind of offerings they like more, ones that go to them or do they like for example donations to a charity in their name? Do they like engraved seals, meat, etc.

  My reasons for wanting to work with angels, btw, is because some potential clients seem to be very much against my work with daemons sometimes or their own subconscious beliefs and prejudice against daemons can ruin good workings. I'd like to be a little more ecclectic for the sake of my clients.
  Not too much though, I like my daemon friends 

[Athena]

You're far nicer then I am, if clients don't like my Daemon work, they can go see another worker .  Well I work with Deities as well of course.  Things like lust, money, sex and worldly stuff I preffer to work with the Daemons as they are more earth based.  Now I guess one could get technical and work with the Nephilim . 

It depends on the angel and which Deity they are a messenger of.  They do tend to like you to go by the rules... for example I called upon an Enochian angel and was chided by not doing it "by the book".  So all you have to do is find a different book or different set of rules if you don't like the methods as laid out in the grimoires.  Or talk with the angels and ask them for methods they would accept.  Now not all angels are sticklers about rules though *g*, but I'm not going into examples here. 

I find they like incense the most.  Putting out honey is also great in many cases ;>.

I haven't personally ever worked with angels for lust, since there are so many other entity types which specialize in such things.

Athena

[Enso]

That's why they cost extra 

[altpath]

You're far nicer then I am, if clients don't like my Daemon work, they can go see another worker . 

I have actually told that to at least one, but some are very persistent and more than anything are usually just biased to think angels are for some reason nicer.

Things like lust, money, sex and worldly stuff I preffer to work with the Daemons as they are more earth based. 

Precisely why I like the daemons more for practical work

So all you have to do is find a different book or different set of rules if you don't like the methods as laid out in the grimoires.

I'm hoping that when I get Joseph Petersons CD in the mail there will be a nicer variety of grimoires to work with angels than what's commonly available online.

Or talk with the angels and ask them for methods they would accept.  Now not all angels are sticklers about rules though *g*, but I'm not going into examples here.

Oh I'm sure I'll find some that are more lenient eventually, I just need to work at it. I think that it's also a matter of familiarity like with the daemons and I hope that as I get to know them they will give me more room to be creative.

I find they like incense the most.  Putting out honey is also great in many cases ;>.

Thanks for the tip, I'll try putting out some honey next time

I haven't personally ever worked with angels for lust, since there are so many other entity types which specialize in such things.

It worked incredibly well for me that one time, for a client actually, but at the moment it's more of an obsession to learn more and more and find what works best for me. Thank you for tips

That's why they cost extra  Grin

Definately something for me to think about LOL.

[Athena]

Btw, check out the Enochian entities, they can help quite a bit with lust *g*.

Athena

[altpath]

I'll definately check them out.
Thanks. 

[Athena]

You know how there are angels of everything right?  Angel of death, angel of love, angel of healing... well there's just gotta be a bunch of lust, it would only make sense .  Well OK so perhaps the Christian God wouldn't have any of that sort, but hey you never know! LOL

Athena

[anointed1]

Btw, check out the Enochian entities, they can help quite a bit with lust *g*.

Athena

The following is from another forum but it bears repeating if lust is the subject at hand; it's important to be very clear with the entity you're working with, what form of lust you are making reference to; sexual or spiritual. I know what we are talking about here, the visceral sexual experience; however spiritual 'lust' also can be beneficial to the practitioner. When you are reading below please keep in mind that in the original forum it was posted to, we were sharing ideas about using enochian to initiate the K&C of the HGA and/or cross the abyss.

And without further adeu:

I think it's interesting that there is no mention of any abyssal experience by practitioners of kundalini yoga & the like. But then again, I'm not thoroughly versed in the jargon native to it. My personal experience with Choronzon/m, is that it eats up the person's intellectual identity, so that a connection can be established with the supernal triad [read will], & the intuition can inspire without hinderance the action of the mage. Choronzon also annihilates an obsessive ego, and I've personally found my experiences with the entity to be quite cleansing & refreshing; like an enima; it's a dirty job... etc. i.e. the fire of intellect when ignited by will.

"the dross must pass through fire"; the point at which the confusion has arison for me in the past is the differences between the hermit [Yod] and the magus [bet] thoth tarot trumps. the tarot trump lust being the formula of the hermit; the rising of the kundalini, being that of renunciation & self abnegation. & the tarot trump of the magus is it's own formula of volition. the confusion arises from not viewing the supernal triad as a whole trinity, instead compartmentalizing each of the three sephirah and drawing the fatal dyad into the picture.

From my experience 'not-self' is ONE, simply because there is neither separation or any sort of distinguishing from the object of devotion; i.e. samadhi/nirvana. Therefore as crowley supposed "I am" in respect to Yoga [union] is a flat out lie.

**if I lift up my head I and my nuit are one; lust, serpent, teth, kundalini

**if I droop down mine head, I and the earth are one; magus, dove, beth, sex

anointed 1

[DARKANGEL]

Fo r last two day staring at friday night am trying to evoke the sprit Hagiel any here can give some tip . i bee using  lbrp and lhbr and invoking lhbr with a triange of art ansd a black mirror with a talisam made of cooper with hagile sybel in fornt and the back the symbel of venus form the tree book

[altpath]

I believe I evoked Hagiel once. I guess it's a good time to re-read my old journals

I recommend you skip the LBRP, and simply try it without that. Just use the invoking hexagram ritual for now, and see how that goes. Also make sure to have a nice Venus feel going with your room or wherever it is you're trying the ritual.
Don't bother with green light bulbs, but maybe try some green candles. I once tried using a green light bulb, and of course it didn't work at all when I needed it during the ritual, but it was working just fine afterwards, LOL.

[Athena]

I have noticed that the BRH (what you call the lhbr) actually destroys all of the energy built up by the spirit before a working, so I would recommend to scrap that one.  Also with angels a triangle is generally not used. 

If you are going GD style, which it sounds like you are, I would recommend an lbrp, then INVOKING ritual of the hexagram of Venus of course.  It is best to do this when Venus is in the sky, on a Friday during the hour of Venus.

Or if you are going the more traditional route, perhaps the Greater Key of Solomon or another grimoire specifically for calling angels (forgot which ones are good for that offhand).

Athena

[DARKANGEL]

ok. no i dont the green light or not that stff. what am using is the black mirror and some  red rose to burn.  i annothing  my with oil pray and then i will stop with lbrp and just do with the invoking hexagram. the promblem is that when i am evoking i say it a low voice and at night when ever one is asleep. pluse i have thin walls.last well at 2.00 am this moring i did  the second time and i do fell like as they describe like a feeling that you are loved. this is new project i am doing as i will keep it up as long as it take and learn form my mistake what work for me or what. been writting my own grimorie book in scarps but soon buy one those blank book of shadow and copy to there